women travelling alone

topic posted Tue, January 3, 2006 - 8:38 AM by  julie
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i've decided to get out of milwaukee for a week or so during this dreaded dreary winter. i was planning to go to ireland with some friends, but the draw just isn't there for me - i'm feeling inspired to head down to the dominican republic or costa rica instead.

i've travelled alone before, but never for an entire trip to a foreign country - someone has always met me there or come along for part of the ride. any suggestions for a young woman going to central america / the caribbean alone?
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    Thu, January 5, 2006 - 4:39 PM
    have you tried the "who's that broad abroad" tribe? they probably have some great advice.
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      Sat, April 15, 2006 - 12:34 AM
      I would NEVER EVER reccommend any woman to travel alone. People can totally take advantage of you, especially in a foreign area.
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        Sat, April 15, 2006 - 4:49 AM


        i traveled to europe twice and other parts of asia - alone. no harm was done to me.

        exercising sense and sensibility is imperative.

        *salut*
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          Sat, April 15, 2006 - 2:41 PM
          Given that fact that you are asian & you can speak the langauge would probably be easy for you to travel to asia. I'm assuming you have family there. So that would be safe.


          It's just way to dangerous for a girl to travel alone. Especially if you're in a foreign country where you can easily get taken adavantage. Ive gone to euorope many times alone on the flight, but I have many relatives in France ( my parents) & in England-well i pretty much grew up in the Uk & lived in France plus I have alot of relatives that still live in UK . For me it's all just familular terrority, but i would never advise a woman to go to a country alone ( especially as a touriust)without having family or friends that live there. You should take your friends or your b/f with you next time you travel to a country that you are not familular with. There are very dangerous places in England, I can tell you many stories on this from living there & dangerous unsafe parts in France. Back home in France, I noticed alot of pick pocketers, stealing from all the tourists.
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            Sat, April 15, 2006 - 2:46 PM
            Plus travling alone is NO FUN & it gets lonely. Personaly I would get lonely if my hubby wasn't with me when we travel. We are going to Greece & Egypt In June & there is NO WAY in hell, I would travel alone to these countrys. Yeah I speak arabic, so can get by in egypt, but I need my other half with me everywhere I go.
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              Sat, April 15, 2006 - 6:24 PM
              All do respect to you, some people aren't meant to travel alone...you are clearly one them. Nothing wrong with that. However, there are plenty of women out there capable of handling themselves, by themselves. Some planning, research and common sense go a long way.

              Having been raised in Europe as you have so eagerly shared, doesn't make you an expert. It's about self-confidence, a sense of adventure, the ability to sit with yourself, while keeping an eye open to your surroundings.
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                Sat, April 15, 2006 - 7:53 PM
                Samantha. Sure it does. I grew up there. I went to highschool & college there. I lived there for 19years. If you like sitting with yourself & talking to yourself. More power to you.! I just think it's way to dangerous. It's scary. If you like travling alone, i'm assuming you're "unmarried" go for it.
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                  Sat, April 15, 2006 - 8:21 PM
                  How funny you assume I'm not married, because I'm an advocate of traveling alone. It takes
                  tremendous strength of character to take a journey by yourself. If it's not your thing, that's cool. But, what the hell does being married have to do with it?







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                    Sat, April 15, 2006 - 8:31 PM
                    To answer your question. If you had a husband that is concerned with your safety, i'm pretty sure he wouldn't want you travling alone. It's pretty obvious, you don't have one. Pitty to see a woman at your age single : (
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                      Sun, April 16, 2006 - 4:16 AM
                      there's something wrong with being single and older? aren't we a bit old-fashioned and patriarchal here.... (for the record, i have a long-term partner, AND i enjoy traveling alone.)
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                  Sat, April 15, 2006 - 8:25 PM
                  Samantha an older woman at your age, should have plenty of friends or possibly a hubby ( i hope you're married by now) to take with you on your travels : )
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                    Sat, April 15, 2006 - 8:27 PM
                    For one thing there is NO WAY in hell would my hubby let me go travel alone. Except to europe to visit family.
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                    Sat, April 15, 2006 - 8:30 PM
                    At my "age" I have everything I could possibly want! Thank you. With your arrogance
                    and your apparent need to have someone at your side at all times, I only hope you will be as fortunate.

                    Bueona Suerte
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                      Sat, April 15, 2006 - 8:37 PM
                      You are a crazy ol' woman that exagerates way too much. Vecchia faccia di buona notte!
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                        Sun, April 16, 2006 - 11:58 AM
                        Sauda, as I am older than you, heed this advice from an older, wise woman, get over yourself.

                        If you place that much value on youth, then I suspect you are in for a rude awakening as you too will
                        age. (By the way, you had better hope your husband doesn't share your sentiment, or you will be
                        an old hag by the time your 30!)

                        Again...good luck....goodbye....
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                          Sun, April 16, 2006 - 3:28 PM
                          Wow you're 30? By the time i'm 30 i'm definately gonna have kids by that time..Gosh that's gotta be hard being single at 30...anyways, i'm sure you have found many excuses to live with it..

                          Au revoir
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                  Fri, April 21, 2006 - 10:31 AM
                  ok i think this is freakin judgemental with the unmarried kinda shit. isn't that waaaayyy too premodernistic thinkin?

                  single ain't necessarily bad u know, ur view really repels me bcuz it's too much of a singaporean view. and too darned sexist.
                  single, intelligent, happy and beautiful is better than married and unhappy. that's my take.

                  i'm a total advocate of travellin alone.. and talkin to yourself?? there's sucha thing as makin friends and not bein a dependent leech on ur significant other!
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                    Fri, April 21, 2006 - 3:22 PM
                    ahh, mira la solieto china con ojos pequina. estas enojado porque tienes nada!...My significant other? H'es called a "husband" hopefully if your lucky maybe you to shall have it too. I'm very happy & my hubby loves me a tremendous amount & spoils me way too much. I'm just grateful that I will never have to worry about getting lonely & old. Being married is called a a partnership. We help each other out. We have the same bank acct. I guess that's kinda dirty to leech of your b/f but marriage is an entire new ball game. Maybe if you open up your "slanted eyes" a bit more you can understand, how it works.
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                      Mon, April 24, 2006 - 9:52 AM
                      Seriously stop talking, you're embarassing. You are giving a bad name to married women. Not all women need to be married to be happy, successful and adventurous people. And, you think marriage is what will keep you from getting lonely and old?? Now I wouldn't wish this on anyone, but often men die at a younger age than women...so you might end up a widow with 30+ years left to go....lonely and old. It's not only marriage that qualifies as a satidfying relationship....friends, family, lovers....to each his own.
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                    Sat, April 22, 2006 - 1:05 AM
                    let's just say if u think u're happy and lucky, good for u..
                    that you'll never have to worry being lonely and old... that's very subjective, bcuz .. nobody knows what's gonna happen somewhere down the road, but i guess for a person with such narrow viewpoints like urself is living under a web of false security.. if u find it adaptive to cushion urself with, fine. but i guess some ppl think they seem to have such a diverse world view when they're actuallly viewing it from a highly ethnocentric and very narrow lens.

                    marriage is an entirely new ballgame? i beg to differ. personally, i come from a family with amazing marriages and partnerships, but it takes balance and equity. why then do marriages dissolve?

                    i worked as a private investigator, tracking broken marriages and cheating spouses, and let me tell u this: it's the kinda spouses that spoil u nuts and who apparently love u to the core that are havin a secret life outside. it does not only apply to my local context which has many different ethnic groups and nationalities, but also to other countries and cultures as well. so don't be too smug.

                    i don't have to be angry or enojado about not having an s.o. or whatsoever. i'm still young, with all my goals to be achieved, rather than living my life centered around a man. i have men in my life, hot dates and such, it's my choice if i don't wanna be tied down. independence is the name of the game. because if all u wanna do is leech and such, live ur life revolved around a pivotal point, it's gonna become wayyy tooo boring. for the man and the woman. marginal utility won't even be zero. it'd be sub-zero.

                    as for ur point of u being cultured living here and there, with all ur languages spoken, yadayada... that's not called cultured. that's called artificial, spurious, precious "culture". and those to call those 3 adjectives derogratory would be an understatement. people who declared themselves cultured are actually the ones most lacking in it, having a heightened sense of identity is inversely relational to actually having the cultural content.

                    if ur mindset is stuck somewhere in some repressed context, pls do not attempt to apply it and force it onto people who are actually living in the real, diverse world. ur judgements of "whore island", "slanted eyes" and "googly eyes".. should be applied to u instead.

                    and pls do not attempt to type in broken forms of languages like ur "los ojos pequina". it's pathetically hilarious, and it just goes to show ur extent of (lack of) cultural content.

                    i'd like to end off with this: beauty, foresight, wisdom and cunning-- all 4 weapons women need to have to survive in this world. take good care of ur looks, sauda, because u do not have any other weapons at ur disposal.
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                      Sat, April 22, 2006 - 2:34 AM
                      Perpetual. I can guarntee my husband would never be with another woman. He's not ur typical man. Believe me! I know my man! Now that's some funny shit to imply! haha..Go have fun with your "hot" dates. Work your arse off living month to month, that is the life style you have chosen for yourself. Are you one of those asian women that posts a bunch of pics in her profile so she can get a navy man to come rescue you & give you green card? Seriously though you should invest in a good creme to remove that disgusting thing on your arm..What the hell is that? That would be soo funny to actually see you speak spanish, gosh that would just look weird to see a full on asian girl with slanted eyes talking in spanish. lol...Oye china, porque estas obsesionan con la cultura espanola. Tu no es espanola es un feo china con ojos "inclinados"... Are you tryin to get a green card, is that why you have like 27273989 pictures of yourself in your profile? What weapsons do I need? I guess you never heard of a wholesome marriage. There is no such thing as divorce in my culture. My husband is the father of my future children to be. As far as him spoiling me & you thinking it's a cover up game bc he's cheating, that's an ignorant & sick thing to think.. Seriously what world did you come from. Did your dad cheat on your mom or something? My husband spoils me because he wants to, because he loves me, because he likes to make me happy with nice things. Now, I don't like bragging about that, because not all men are like him. You shouldn't be jealous. You should be happy for a couple when you see a happy marriage. I can gurantee you, that marriage in my family & culture is till the end. There is no divorce in his family nor with mine. Oh by the way were you in a head on collision car accident? Is that why your nose looks all smashed inn? Put some ice on your nostrils. It will help the inflamed nostrils go down. Have fun with your "hot "dates!
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                    Sat, April 22, 2006 - 3:11 AM
                    well well.. i expected this reply and slamming abt my looks, my dad, my family, my upbringing and such

                    like manu said, u put ppl down to feel better. psych 101. basic stuff. i won't bother arguin with u and ur self esteem maintaenance cuz u're motivated into seein things the way u do.. so be it.

                    for ur information, i do not have slanted eyes. u can go on criticizin me like how u've done with others, criticizin their upbringing, slamming their homes, callin them pig stys and all. go ahead. and i'm not china, dearie, i'm a singaporean peranakan-chinese. get ur geographical bearings and locations right. and u juz reek of freakin racism and ethnocentricism. there u r thinkin i work my arse off livin month to month? how the hell can u be certain of that? becuz i don't. it's amusing how u make the fallacy of judgemental reductionism... stuff like "maybe ur father was this.... that..". it's too freakin simplistic. like the mind of a child who's in a lower developmental stage. i think development theorist piaget would say, preoperational thought?

                    i post pics not bcuz i need a navy man. neither do i need to be rescued. fyi, "rescued" juz reeks of this sad, innocent, pathetic, useless frail child. i post em becuz the album is juz my own mini-history. something i can look back upon. i do things on my own terms, not dependent on a man or anything. i do not need a green card thru a man, for your information. i have money and ability, and do things on my own. i know people from all sorts of cultures and countries in reality, the usa included, who've done things on their own accord and worked out real good. juz becuz ur circumstances were pretty sheltered doesn't mean everyone has to live life that way.

                    if i choose to work and go on my dates that's my life. that's my choice

                    what's wrong with speakin spanish. have u ever heard of the term globalization? whereby cultures meet and boundaries are blurred? then why do u speak ur "4 languages"? i live in a multicultural country and i travel around. i have my own interests to pursue, i'm familiar with my own singaporean and chinese cultures, so exploration of new areas is totally legitimized. not for u, i guess, who'd need to tag along with ur man

                    nobody is jealous of u, u are suffering from a severe case of spotlight consciousness, and think u're always right, the whole world is focusiin on u. u have a good marriage, good for u. but just don't be too certain of anything yet. perception isn't always reality. and the only reason why i rebutted on ur point is becuz how u impose the ideology of marriage onto others. haven't u heard of personal choice and freedom? holy crap, and like sam pointed out, like a child. it's just so sad how u think at 23, 26 or 30 year olds are old. go ahead, call me feo and shit. insult my nose, whatever flaws i have and stuff. i'm not perfect. looks are not the end-all-and-be-all. u may be pretty but it's all about substance. about respect. and since u don't give anyone in this thread any respect by insulting them all and putting them down, i won't hesitate to slam u.

                    oh, and don't worry, i haven't had any accidents so far. more like u, i guess ur prefrontal cortex and other higher cortical functions haven't really fully developed yet. it's sad, that at 23, they're still at such a childish state. or maybe, they'd never even developed cuz it's all plateaued.

                    that said. i don't wish to continue this futile exchange of words any longer. it's clear that u'll always think that u and ur points of views are superior and correct. sure thing, be embedded in such a sense of false consciousness. that's ur life choice, i respect that. and i'm pretty sure i won't be the last person u r slamming. mind u, we r living in post-modern times where viewpoints are diverse and there ain't any set rules; not in the premodern sort of thinking. or should i say prehistoric. seriously, get ur facts right before u talk and sound like a lil silly child. it's better to shut ur mouth and be thought of as a fool than open ur mouth and remove all doubt.
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                      Sat, April 22, 2006 - 12:12 PM
                      I don't have time on my hands like you to write a full page of blah, but so you know in spanish when we refer to an asian we just call them " chino" or "china" for a girl It's just the way we refer to people with slant eyes.

                      Thought this was comical ------> "for ur information, i do not have slanted eyes"
                      LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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                  Sat, April 29, 2006 - 1:24 PM
                  yay. peace at last.

                  sauda as a man? haha. whatever. but if she were really sauda, i'd say she's plain stupid and brainless. i heard somewhere she called someone "blacker than a slave". pure nutters!

                  mmmm.. do u think sauda might re-pop up with another name? or an anagram of her name?
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                    Sat, April 29, 2006 - 3:11 PM
                    i was wondering if she would come back... she was all over several of the other tribes i belong to... she insulted a lot of belly dancers too...
                    part of me will miss the laughter i had at her expense... but i am very glad that she cannot bother or offend anyone anymore...
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                      Sun, April 30, 2006 - 3:06 AM
                      > she insulted a lot of belly dancers too...

                      Based on this, I'd guess that she really was Egyptian. Belly Dancers are horribly discriminated against here in Egypt. Something like 95% of Egyptian Belly Dancers are prostitutes, so Egyptian assume that all foreign belly dancers are prostitutes too and treat them like shit.
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                    Sat, April 29, 2006 - 3:40 PM
                    <<do u think sauda might re-pop up with another name? or an anagram of her name?>>

                    I was seriously wondering that myself?!! How funny! I sure hope not...I think she was who
                    she professed herself to be, i.e. not a man. Just crazy as a shit house rat with no
                    sense of moral boundaries.
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                      Sat, April 29, 2006 - 3:53 PM
                      <Just crazy as a shit house rat with no
                      sense of moral boundaries.>

                      hehehehe... well said!
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                        Sat, April 29, 2006 - 7:14 PM
                        i secod/third that. she was as crazy as a shit house rat. hahahahaha.

                        i dont think ive ever seen someone on tribe make so many offenses and racial slurrs as this backwards little ho uhhh sorry i meant housewife...hrmmmm.... or did i?
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              Sun, April 16, 2006 - 2:27 AM
              Sauda:
              > Plus travling alone is NO FUN & it gets lonely.

              Hmmm.... I've been traveling alone for the past 2.5 years and I don't find it to be "no fun" and "lonely".

              > Yeah I speak arabic, so can get by in egypt, but I need my other half with me everywhere I go.

              I've met tons of women who have been traveling alone, or with another girl, through Egypt. They sometimes get hassled by men -- but they either learn to deal with it or they choose to fight back. A few women did regret coming to Egypt because of the harrassment and would not come back, but the large majority enjoyed the Egyptian experience overall.
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                Sun, April 16, 2006 - 2:48 AM
                in EGYPT? NOOO way.. The locals would totally take advantage of western women who are in foreign terrority, not to mention rip you off $$$ big time.. haha!! You know the tourists guides & the cab drivers have arrangements with super expenive souviner shops to rip off the tourists! haha, they will totally take advange of tourists that do not speak arabic, and believe me they are very convincing ; )
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              Sun, April 16, 2006 - 9:44 AM
              I have never travelled alone (yet)... However, I have considered it and may do so one of these days. I love travelling and would not let the lack of a travel companion keep me from my journeys. I have had bad experiences, both home & abroad, and I know how women can be targeted and mistreated. I did not think that I would make it home alive from one trip. However, I have travelled since, and will continue. I will not let fear stop me. The experience has made me stronger, smarter, and more cautious. I also know men who have had negative experiences while travelling.
              A person's gender should not be a limiting factor in travel... or anything for that matter. You just have to educate yourself, about the country and it's culture. Use your head & be cautious. Those are things that any traveller should exercise. Unfortunately, some travellers do not do their homework beforehand.... and sometimes, no matter how careful you are, things happen -- that's life!
              I know women who have travelled alone -- to Turkey, Spain, China, etc., and have had great experiences. There are places that I would not go to alone, personally... but that is just me. I would never tell anyone, woman or man, not to go somewhere they wanted to visit. Just be smart, educate yourself, learn the local customs, learn key phrases & some of the local language, be flexible & open-minded, be willing to meet other travellers along the way, etc. Do not let fear keep you from doing anything. Being a US citizen, I have been bombarded with scare tactics and false information that makes the rest of the world look crazy and scary. However, one has to be open-minded and "get out there" to see the beauty in other cultures. If one travels sustainably, with respect and common sense, then good things can happen.
              That being said, travelling alone is not for everyone. However, it should definitely NOT be discouraged either!
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                Sun, April 16, 2006 - 3:37 PM
                Ok, I can kinda see what your saying, but even educating yourself & learning the culture & languge will not help you. What if you are being followed & someone takes you & rapes you. No way in hell would I ever let my future children travel alone. My dad shares my same point of view. I remember when I got out of highschool, I wanted to go to Italy..He literally freaked out. My parents are just way to protective & loving & i'm thankful I grew up that way bc many people were not fortunate to grw up with that. I even noticed that many people in this country were raised in broken homes(fatherless.) Anyway I'm just really grateful that I grew up with such caring & protective parents. If it wasn't for my dad I'd probably be one of those free spirited women people that likes to travel alone or even an unmarried woman.
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                  Sun, April 16, 2006 - 4:31 PM
                  <Anyway I'm just really grateful that I grew up with such caring & protective parents. If it wasn't for my dad I'd probably be one of those free spirited women people that likes to travel alone or even an unmarried woman. >

                  My family is wonderful & protective. They have lived comfortably in the same area forever and are set in their ways. Most of my family members have not travelled very far and they often think I'm crazy for wanting to go to this place or that place. However, I am an adult AND they trust my judgement. They respect my love of travel and know that I will use my head. They do not try to keep me in a cage b/c they know I would be miserable.

                  As long as you're happy, Sauda, that's all that counts. But don't expect everyone to think or feel just like you. Some people like to be "free-spirited," and some people like to live more "conformist." Marriage is not the ultimate souce of all happiness. It is a wonderful, special part of one's life, however, it is only one aspect of a human being. I am so glad that I did not get married at an early age. I have been able to live independently, travel around the US and to a few other parts of the world, meet good people, and have experiences that I never ever would have had if I married my high school or even college boyfriend. Those experiences matter a lot to me, as your marriage must mean to you. Just make sure that you never give up any dreams that you would like to have because of what your family or husband says. If they are important dreams to you, then your loved ones should respect them and want you to be happy.
                  Some people are content getting married and starting a family. Others find happiness in their careers or studies. Others find happiness seeing the world or living abroad. As long as you are happy and not doing anything harmful to yourself or others, so be it.
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                  Mon, April 17, 2006 - 3:04 PM
                  In families that hold education as a major value, travel and experiences abroad tend to be seen as positive, as they provide one with the opportunity to become a more cultured, more open, more independent-thinking person. Unconditional love means allowing the loved one (including adult children) to be who they are and make their own choices. Possesing a person is not loving, it's selfish. I know I will always allow my children to follow their dreams and grow into strong, self-sufficent adults.
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                    Mon, April 17, 2006 - 4:23 PM
                    Margot, it's not selfish It's just common sense how a loving mother would act. It's probably how you were raised. Differnt people have different values & different morals. Most protective fathers would never let there daughter travel alone & again it's not selfish it's love. You do what you can to protect your family in this imperfect world. Maybe your father was absent in your life?
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                      Mon, April 17, 2006 - 4:54 PM
                      is anyone else laughing as hard at sauda's posts as i am?

                      i keep telling myself that she can't be for real, but i think she actually is. it's hilarious.

                      don't be offended though sauda, at the ripe old age of 26 it's probably just my unmarried dementia setting in.
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                        Mon, April 17, 2006 - 5:25 PM
                        I am!! Thanks for noticing! Seriously. There are some many angles one could approach her stream of consciousness, it's tough to choose. I think she is a throwback from the 15th century. I wonder what dowry her father received for her? Two chickens and a pig? Nah, just two chickens....that's more than enough.
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                          Mon, April 17, 2006 - 5:33 PM
                          Samantha there is no need for you to bark at women that are much younger than you. Act your age. You're not 23 anymore!
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                            Mon, April 17, 2006 - 5:59 PM
                            It's hilarious and sad. It's sad that someone so young is stuck in a mindset that the struggle for the advancement of women's rights has tried to end.

                            But then again, I had no father. My mom, who ran a burlesque house, had so many boyfriends -- I never knew which one was my daddy! That totally explains my deviant behavior, you know, my passion for travel and independence, my education, etc. Thank you, Dr. Sauda!

                            BTW, I was only kidding. I had a father and a wonderful mother, who is a teacher. I just couldn't resist!
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                      Mon, April 17, 2006 - 5:54 PM
                      I agree with you that different people have different values. I was raised to be worldly and cultured, as well as independent and intelectually engaged, and all that nonsense just doesn't happen sitting on a couch and eating pringles.

                      As for the selfishness thing, what I am getting at is that people often don't realize that parents are adults and they make mistakes. It is clear from the way you are addressing your elders on this board that your parents are no exception.
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                        Mon, April 17, 2006 - 6:06 PM
                        I was raised In England&France. I grew up speaking 4 diff lanagues. So I grew up very cultured & on top of that I am middle-eastern, so it doesnt get any more cultured than that.
                        Either way. My culture is protective with the women. We view women as innocent senseitive people that need to be watched over. I noticed how the men in this country disrepsect there women. Making them feel like crap they have to show more skin in order to get accepted, it's really sad. On top of that this country has the highest divorce rate. No body values marriage anymore, now that's a pitty to me. Imagine all the people that grew up fatherless or motherless, that has seriously got to suck. I couldn't have imagined my life w/o one of my parents, i need both to make me whole. That is why I value marriage & that is why my culture is protective. To protect those close to you & those you love. I'm sorry if this is unfamilular to you & I hope you can find yourself content with your free spirit.
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                          Mon, April 17, 2006 - 6:19 PM
                          PS Plenty of Middle Eastern families still allow their daughters to travel and become independent, by the way.
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                            Mon, April 17, 2006 - 9:37 PM
                            margot laisse faire, elle est folle. c'est tout-a-fait ridicule qu'est-ce qu'elle raconte, enfin....samantha i completely agree with u. sauda has been nothing but disrespectful to all the ppl here. she belittles others in order to raise her own esteem, psych 101. easy stuff.

                            and the number of languages u speak doesnt prove you are more cultured sauda. i grew up speaking 5 languages. its the way u address ppl, if they disagree with u, u insult them. as sam pointed out, like a child.

                            i dare say, u criticize western women for showing skin, uhhh have u looked at the pics in ur profile derrrrrr !!!!

                            i laughed sooo hard at the comment posted "at the ripe old age of 26".

                            but u have to forgive poor ignorant sauda, who thinks that at 30 ur an old maid. maybe her parents didnt tell her that life expectancy is no longer 35, some ppl live even longer HAHAHAHAHAHA.

                            hey ppl, now its prolly my turn for some of her jabs, she ll have a lot of material to choose from, me being a hare krsna, lets see if she attacks my upbringing as well. as she did for sam, margot and others. ill save her the trouble, it was a priveledged one ;) spiritually, emotionally and financially ....
                            • Not for everyone

                              Tue, April 18, 2006 - 4:09 AM

                              A rather barbie-doll looking Canadian girl showed up at the guesthouse in Cairo yesterday afternoon. At first glance, us regulars at the hostel were not particularly impressed.

                              Then we found out she had just come out of traveling through Sudan by herself and had nothing but a phenomenal time. She's already been through Afganistan. She tried to sightsee Somalia but was turned back at the border. She went much further into war zones in Uganda than I was brave enough to go. And she's off to the Iraqi embassy tomorrow to see if she can get a tourist visa to see Iraq.

                              It's not for everyone, but it's pretty clear that women can travel the world alone if they choose to do so.
                        • Re: women travelling alone

                          Mon, April 17, 2006 - 8:16 PM
                          This is the first post you have made where you actually began to sound like a human being. How you were
                          raised, is how you were raised...and not myself, or anyone else has any place to disrespect that. However,
                          that knife cuts both ways Sauda. And what you have written on this thread has only served as an attempt
                          to be-little and insult people. Based on information that you have erroneously assumed, and not just about me.

                          I disagree with women being treated as "innocent, sensitive people that need to be wateched over". What you
                          have described is a child. HOWEVER, if that is what YOUR family holds valuable in raising their children, then so be it. But lashing out at others for how they choose to live their lives is completely counterproductive. I don't
                          know if it's a language barrier or if you are so completely full of yourself that your condescending attitude prevails in all things Sauda.

                          You are attacking people for circumstances that are totally out of their control, i.e. coming from broken homes.
                          You think divorce is the worst thing that could happen? If your middle-eastern and familiar with the culture then I'm sure you are aware of the oppression the woman face on a staggering level. Is that acceptable to you? You can love your husband a be a great wife with out sacrifcing yourself as a woman and human being. It's not a stretch, not even in this country. And by the way, that door in to our country that so many people want to enter
                          goes both ways. You can go home anytime and make room for people who want and need to be here.

                          But, I digress, specifcally, I want to point out to you that you are a child and have not a clue. Your arrogance is staggeringingly disproportionate to your background as YOU have laid it out and your experience.
                          Really who do you think you are? Don't answer, I don't think there is enough room here...


                    • Re: women travelling alone

                      Mon, April 17, 2006 - 6:02 PM
                      Oh sorry, I forgot to answer your question. No, my parents have been happily married for 30 years and neither my father nor my mother was never absent in my life. Nice try, though.
                      • Unsu...
                         

                        Re: women travelling alone

                        Mon, April 17, 2006 - 6:13 PM
                        Margot, instead of yacking you seriously need to clean ur liviing room. I can see it through your avatar pic..What a pig sty! Didn't your mum teach you to be tidy..yuck, id hate to live in a pig sty dump like that..lol..anyway i have to go make my hubby some din din, hes gonna he home soon.

                        masalama!
                        • Re: women travelling alone

                          Mon, April 17, 2006 - 6:17 PM
                          It's not my living room, it's a photo at a party (thing us liberated Western women attend from time to time). Bon apetit!
                          • Re: women travelling alone

                            Mon, April 17, 2006 - 6:22 PM
                            In defense of Margot, most women these days have lives outside of the home.

                            Better get to that dinner... I can hear the crack of the whip!
                            • Re: women travelling alone

                              Mon, April 17, 2006 - 6:28 PM
                              this thread is right up there with one of the other funniest i've read this year:

                              worldtravelers.tribe.net/threa...e985d3
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                                Re: women travelling alone

                                Mon, April 17, 2006 - 7:17 PM
                                lets get sauda and dhyana in a room together for a few hours and record them. hours of entertainment.

                                sauda, it doesn't make us take you any more seriously when you make fun of our pictures. it makes us feel even more strongly that you are emotionally stunted. ask your husband permission to find out about other, more friendly ways to have discussions with people. just rattle your cage if you can't get is attention right away.
                                • Re: women travelling alone

                                  Mon, April 17, 2006 - 7:56 PM
                                  <just rattle your cage if you can't get is attention right away>
                                  That is so funny
                                  • Re: women travelling alone

                                    Mon, April 17, 2006 - 8:15 PM
                                    ROTFL!
                                    • Re: women travelling alone

                                      Mon, April 24, 2006 - 6:40 AM
                                      Hallo,

                                      I'm new to this tribe... can't wait to dig in!

                                      Just wanted to let you know that this "Sauda" person has been identified as a troll and has been kicked out of tribe altogether by Tribe itself due to seriously racist comments and general unplesantness of the kind witnessed here. She's been all over the belly dance tribes insulting us non-arabic belly dancers in any way she can think of. What a wacko, hm?

                                      When people like this pop up, you can email abuse@tribe.net to report 'em. No need to have them ruin a perfectly good tribe. Though I must say... some of the spin-off jokes are pretty darn funny! She'd insulted some dancers for being "old" so they went off and formed the Sequined Walker Brigade... Hehehe. Humor saves the day!
                                      • Re: women travelling alone

                                        Mon, April 24, 2006 - 9:52 AM
                                        Someone told me that a "troll" is someone who basically is not who
                                        they represent themselves to be in their profile. True? Does that mean the Sauda
                                        could have been a 13 year old from Kansas?

                                        Funny she's been kick off, I thought of alerting tribe to the racist, degrading comments
                                        she was making but then I thought maybe that would be like "tattling"(?). Either
                                        way, glad she's gone....
                                        • Re: women travelling alone

                                          Mon, April 24, 2006 - 10:12 AM
                                          Hm, I don't know whether "troll" means that or not, interesting. But some people were suggesting that maybe "Sauda" is a man and is purposely making inflammatory comments... LOL. Hopefully we'll never know.

                                          However, I firmly belive that it is not tattling to report someone's racist comments or other activity that makes you feel icky. Particularly, however, the racist things... that is entirely inappropriate, AND it breaks Tribe's Code of Conduct. As far as I know that is why she was kicked off, not because she misrepresented herself in her profile.

                                          FYI, this is the response I got from Tribe today.


                                          Hi Rosa,

                                          Thanks for writing in, I am sorry that you encountered this individual on tribe. This user’s account has been removed.
                                          Thanks for your patience, and We continue to strive to curb the presence of trolls on the site.

                                          Thanks again for writing in, I appreciate it. If you have any questions at all, please feel free to reply to this message.

                                          Best,

                                          Wendy Bean
                                          Content/Customer Service
                                          www.tribe.net

                                          FAQ:

                                          sanfrancisco.tribe.net/templa...bout.vm
                                          • Re: women travelling alone

                                            Mon, April 24, 2006 - 12:41 PM
                                            Yeah, I agree with you not tattling under the circumstances. Not sure what I was thinking there....

                                            Wow! a man hugh?! I don't know, "she" was very convincing!
                                            Anyway, thanks for alerting us!!
      • Re: women travelling alone

        Sat, May 13, 2006 - 7:31 PM
        you are an idiot! As a woman, I have traveled to several foreign countries and was just fine. In fact, I know way more males who have ran into trouble and had problems traveling. Sometimes its just luck and sometimes they just don't think.

        What did bother me? People like you who would say "Why are traveling alone?" in a judgemental tone and "Are you scared, you are so brave."
      • Re: women travelling alone

        Tue, June 27, 2006 - 1:38 PM
        Thats just so incredibly small thinking. I have traveled the world all alone for the last 20 years, and Iam a attractive woman. All the best experiences Ive had were because I was alone and didnt have to compromise my choices for some elses fears.Of course one should take into account different customs, for instance in the middle east. I have never stopped traveling, I currently live and work in Buenos Aries, and because Iam happy being on my own, Iam free to do and not do what ever I please. I meet people where ever I go. Crime is everwhere, and from what I know the USA still, leading in senseless crime and serial killers. So really ladies, if you really want to do it. do on your own terms, dont listen to some idiot who hasnt experienced the freedom of travel.
  • Re: women travelling alone

    Thu, January 5, 2006 - 5:29 PM
    use lonelyplanet.com
    be really prepared for safety and good health maintenance... money belt, vitamins, first aid kit, non-fancy clothes adn things, hands-free fanny-packs or other packs, a sense of direction and knowledge abotu the country and where you are goign

    a week is not much time

    try to get out of major cities for most of th etrip
  • Re: women travelling alone

    Thu, January 5, 2006 - 11:59 PM
    I've traveled to Ireland and Cancun alone. To Ireland I used Brendan Tours. It was great. I also used ClubMed to go to Cancun. Had a great time there.
  • Re: women travelling alone

    Mon, January 9, 2006 - 4:49 AM
    You'll be fine. The only places I would even think twice about traveling alone to as a woman are some parts of the middle east and sub-saharan africq (eg. I would got Egypt or Ghana alone but might want a bloke with me in Saudi or Congo).
  • Re: women travelling alone

    Fri, March 17, 2006 - 11:16 AM
    After years of traveling with friends I tried traveling alone a few years ago. I think every one should try this at least once in their lifetime. Just go at it alone, but be prepared. Set up the first night at your hotel of choice. Then wing it.

    Your best bet is to first look up the lonely planet website and sign on to it's forum. You can find others who will be in the area and willing to meet you. I meet a nice Australian girl who I traveled in peru with for a month. In fact I meet a lot of women traveling alone...mostly teachers on vacation.

    If you had a choice between the two my pick is: Costa Rica. It's much safer once you leave the capital. You don't want to spend ANY TIME there. Trust me on that. Just take the first bus out of town and head to the Pacific coast. Many choices but stay away from Jaco Beach.

    The DR is nice is you plan to stay inside your hotel property for a week. NOT safe even for guys!

    I have been to both places and the only reason to go to the DR is if you like a ClubMed party. Then you should go there. Just find a nice hotel that has everything you need so you don't have to travel outside it's compound.

    enjoy

    -Mic
    • Re: women travelling alone

      Sat, March 18, 2006 - 4:40 AM
      funny you should say that ,Michael
      I have been twice in C.R. and made some good friends at Jaco beach as well ..
      everyone is different ....and has different esperiences
      • Re: women travelling alone

        Sat, March 18, 2006 - 10:30 AM
        You can meet people anywhere, Samaya. But since Jaco is the town most known for open prostitution, I thought it would be a place to skip. Crime and drugs as well as pimps and whores run this town. I know the waves are also nice, if you're a surfer...but there are better waves in Tamarindo. So why risk it when you have so many nicer beaches that are so much safer and nicer then Jaco. Maybe you got lucky. You had a nice experience. Good for you. But I would never send anyone one of my friends there. So I stand by what I said.

        -Michael
        • Re: women travelling alone

          Sat, March 18, 2006 - 11:46 AM
          see I had no idea of it ...
          maybe because the people I have met were organizing their own parties
          ...I appreciate your concern ...
          In guess arriving from San Jose with local friends makes a difference indeed
          cheers Michael ...
          • Re: women travelling alone

            Sun, March 19, 2006 - 9:58 AM
            If you had friends in Jaco that could watch over you then it's OK. But if you went to any clubs and bars I am sure you noticed all the young Chicas with older men. Did your friends not point that out? Maybe you didn't hang out in bars and clubs? Costa Rica is very much like Thailand when it comes to the views they have about sex and prostitution. But then again, it's all part of the lure of Costa Rica. People go there for different reasons. Thanks for the nice reply, Samaya. Cheers and safe traveleing.

            -M
  • Re: women travelling alone

    Sat, March 18, 2006 - 6:25 AM
    I´m traveling alone in Guatemala currently, and I´ve met all kinds of women also traveling alone along the way.

    I would just suggest to be cautious, don´t travel on buses alone at night, try to find someone to walk you back to your hostel if you decide to go out late, and let people know where you´re going to be. Make sure your hostel looks somewhat secure, like that the windows have bars or they lock up at night.

    I traveled for over a month alone in Peru, and never felt particularly unsafe.... no more so than in some parts of San Francisco.

    I think traveling alone is the best way to really meet people. I´ve found the times when I attach myself to someone, I don´t have as many opportunities to meet the locals or the other travelers. I love going solo.

    I´ve got three and half months ahead of me here in Central America, and so far I´m loving it. I have heard some horror stories, but if I let that get to me, I might never leave home.

    Be safe! And have fun!!
    Here´s my blog with stories and photos from Peru, and currently Guatemala! : glowingz.typepad.com
  • Re: women travelling alone

    Sun, March 19, 2006 - 12:45 AM
    I was raped in 8 countryes !
    • Re: women travelling alone

      Sun, March 19, 2006 - 12:02 PM
      Huh?
      • Re: women travelling alone

        Wed, April 5, 2006 - 12:15 PM
        I've mostly traveled alone (Canada, Israel, all over Europe, most of the USA), and I've never had any trouble - locals and other travelers have been helpful, generous, friendly. Just stay aware and safe, take all the usual precautions you'd take in any U.S. city, like not wandering around alone in sketchy neighborhoods or checking into a super cheap motel late at night.

        The staff at hostels and hotels are a great resource for letting you know which places to go and to avoid. Staying in hostels is a plus for meeting other solo travelers, or joining up with a group for sightseeing or going to bars/clubs if you'd prefer not to do that on your own.

        Have a great time!
  • Re: women travelling alone

    Mon, April 17, 2006 - 9:10 PM
    *laugh* i simply cannot get over the chaos that ensued after i posted this question! sauda, thank you for making me laugh - i hope, as i'm sure many others here do, that you were just playing devil's advocate and are not really attacking complete strangers over a lifestyle preference. *giggle* seriously guys...

    in the end, i decided to go to st croix. i did have some friends there, with whom i spent some time, and i spent the rest of it alone, lounging on the beach, snorkeling, running, etc. it was absolutely beautiful.

    next time i'll give costa rica a try, and thank you so much for all of your suggestions!
    • Re: women travelling alone

      Wed, April 19, 2006 - 1:27 PM
      I do a lot of my travelling alone - i find that i tend to be less insular and learn more. have been all over the middle east and other places, felt safer in the townships in south africa than in flatbush - perspective and a little care and common sense.
      I really really hope sauda is not for real. If you are.. am lost for a response that would cut it. But anyone else - dont be put off.
      Julie - glad you had a good time. And anyone else do check out that broad abroad tribe as mentioned above - great resource. xoL
      • Re: women travelling alone

        Thu, April 20, 2006 - 11:59 AM
        I am enjoying this thread immensely. Fascinating to read what people think. I understand having a different cultural view, but to demand that others follow your view is a little odd. In my opinion, women are people and people sometimes travel alone. Seriously, I don't think it's any different than going somewhere in your own city. Just pay attention to your surroundings and use common sense.

        This from a really old woman. Who is not married. Gasp! :)
        • Re: women travelling alone

          Mon, April 24, 2006 - 7:19 AM
          So much awesome advice! I haven't travelled much in Central America or the Carribean (visited Cancun on spring break once--defitintely doesn't count!), but I lived in Paris for a year in college and travelled in Europe. My only suggestion would be to wear a wedding ring, just a simple gold band. It can help to pre-empt some (but not all) undesired conversation. At least, you won't be referred to as Senorita or Mademoiselle.

          Of course, not everyone would want to do this, but if I were travelling alone again, that's what I would do.

          Have a great time! :)
  • Re: women travelling alone

    Wed, May 3, 2006 - 3:41 PM
    Hi Julie,

    Wow. I just came back and read some replies here...wow, funny shit! I love this thread. OK, come chat with me before you go to Costa Rica...I am heading down in June. Looks like most of my clients are ladies traveling alone. Safety in numbers I guess. I have meet many women traveling all alone and I thing it's great!

    Have a great vacation...

    -Michael

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