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Aloha,
This is my first post.... and my first trip abroad (Berlin & Prague). 'scuse me if this is a silly question but how do you deal with money when you travel?
I've been saving up some spending money for this trip. I'm leary about carrying wads of cash around. I don't have (or like) credit cards. I do have Bank Debit cards with "VISA" on them. Can those be used in Europe? Are Travelers Checks worth the hassle?
This is my first post.... and my first trip abroad (Berlin & Prague). 'scuse me if this is a silly question but how do you deal with money when you travel?
I've been saving up some spending money for this trip. I'm leary about carrying wads of cash around. I don't have (or like) credit cards. I do have Bank Debit cards with "VISA" on them. Can those be used in Europe? Are Travelers Checks worth the hassle?
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Re: Money..... safe & smart
Fri, April 25, 2008 - 7:18 PMBeka:
Your ATM cards should work almost everywhere in the world these days.
Certainly in Berlin in Prague.
I had to go as far as Sudan before I found a place without ATMs. -
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Re: Money..... safe & smart
Fri, April 25, 2008 - 9:16 PMAhh, that's a releif. Thanks Adam.
When I first moved from San Francisco to Maui ten years ago the cashiers looked at me like I was crazy when I tried to pay with an ATM card! -
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Re: Money..... safe & smart
Sat, April 26, 2008 - 1:18 AMHi, Beka.
Be aware that some machines in Europe only like cards that have a chip on the front. In my experiences, it's been some "quick purchase" ticket machines at train stations, or occasionally at restaurants. If it doesn't work at the kiosk, just go to the regular ticket outlet where a person works. At restaurants and other merchants, you can point out that there is no chip on the front and they have to swipe it. The cards with chips just require a pin code, usually entered at the table on a portable device or at the kiosk like a regular ATM machine, whereas the old style swipey cards require an actual signature on paper. (A few weeks ago I went to a restaurant in Bordeaux. They tittered a bit and smiled as if my chipless ATM card was quaint, lol.)
Also, when you are carrying cash around, consider getting something by PacSafe ( dyna.magellans.com/cgi-bin/...ynaqmFuS0 ). I was warned about the pickpockets in a few of the cities I've visited. I have a PacSafe purse I carry with me with my valuables. Cool stuff!
One other tip -- don't use the booths at airports and other locations to convert your currency. They don't tend to give a good rate and they charge a whopping fee. Your bank will usually charge you an international fee, but it still works out MUCH better to use an ATM.
Happy traveling!
Cheers,
SW
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Re: Money..... safe & smart
Mon, April 28, 2008 - 7:24 PMI would suggest carrying some traveler's check's for emergencies, some cash, and your atm card. If your card gets lost or stolen, its almost impossible to get it replaced abroad. Also, keep an emergency stash of cash somewhere besides where you normally keep your money. I always keep at least a little bit in each of my bags, and in a money belt or pouch.
Good Luck, have fun!
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Re: Money..... safe & smart
Tue, April 29, 2008 - 2:44 PMI would definitely not carry a wad of cash, nor would I be totally dependent on finding ATMs. I'd take some cash, stashed away with your travelers checks in a belt wallet or something similar. I also agree that it's good to separate some of your money stash.
I think travelers checks are definitely worth the small amount of hassle they entail. If you get travelers checks, be sure to separate the receipts (one for each check) from the checks themselves, and stash in one of your bags. If you lose your checks, or goddess forbid they are stolen, your receipts will get you replacements.
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Re: Money..... safe & smart
Tue, April 29, 2008 - 9:42 PM
"I don't have (or like) credit cards."
Yer definitively awesome.
Though not good for the international banking system...
Anyways, I'm hoping this thread continues to unfold, because I also could use some good advice on this very subject.
Never owned a credit card either, and never will. Somebody told me recently that Citibank offers a Debit card that is FREE to use everywhere on the planet and certain areas of Mars... -
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Re: Money..... safe & smart
Wed, April 30, 2008 - 6:31 AMI would take travelers checks and an atm card, City bank and Chase have branches in Germany so it may be easier to open a new accout at one of these, but I believe there are many banks that have branches in europe. You may want to check with your bank, and see if they have branches there.
Dealing with one entitiy can cut down on frustration. -
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Re: Money..... safe & smart
Wed, April 30, 2008 - 11:20 AMbut make sure the outpost office will be able to help you, i used to work for a french based bank (societe general). french tourists used to come to us allllllllllll the time about their credit cards which were not working in US.
granted, this was many years ago, maybe about 10 years....but those people were REALLLLLLLY unhappy and desparate and there was nothing their bank could do to help them from across the seas.....
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Re: Money..... safe & smart
Wed, April 30, 2008 - 12:43 PMYou can get a prepaid 'gift card' from Visa, Mastercard or American Express. It offers you theft protection, unlike cash, and is more convenient sometimes than travelers checks. Not sure if you can withdraw cash on it from ATMs or if you can only use it for purchases, but here's some info on the Visa one:
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Re: Money..... safe & smart
Wed, April 30, 2008 - 12:48 PMhmm, just after i posted that i noticed this on the FAQ page of the Visa site:
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Can I use my Visa Gift card outside of the United States?
If your gift card states "Valid only in the United States" on the front, your provider has issued a Domestic Use Only card. Although your gift card will not be accepted at locations outside of the United States, it's welcome at millions of locations within the United States where Visa debit cards are accepted.
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I guess some more investigation is required. :-)
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Re: Money..... safe & smart
Wed, April 30, 2008 - 3:26 PMMy ATM card orked in Central and South America. In places where I could not find an ATM, I was able to use my credit card at a bank for a cash advance.
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Re: Money..... safe & smart
Thu, May 1, 2008 - 8:05 AMin my opinion from experience as of today....!
1. call your bank, if it is Wells Fargo or Bank of America they have deals with banks abroad, meaning they will not charge a fee for international transaction nor another fee for exchange transaction with a foriegn bank's atm. yes they do do 2 different charges for withdrawing money abroad. Doing so they will give you the names of the banks that they work with. Yes, you can use your debit card if it is those 2 banks mentioned.
2. cash is always good. I always carry a couple of 50's or 100's bills in my bra. It is easier to carry $300 to $500.
3. I don't care for traveler's checks, because, trying to find the offices and the fee and the exchange fee adds up. If you do. A lot of banks don't deal with them because they are privately owned. American Express was the best deal and they have their own offices normally in the center near the train stations. But during certain times of the day, there are lines in these small offices. I didn't like wasting my time or the people there in line watching me. I lived abroad too long to see how thieves work.
4. Use ATM's that are attached to open working banks, because if the your card does get eaten by the machine, they retrieve it for you. And if does happen try not panic and be rude to them. I've seen that, did not turn out good.
5. when you call your bank in the US let them know when date wise were you will be, so they do not do a freeze on your account, thinking it has been stolen. I normally will call when I enter a different country. The back of your Debit card will show 2 numbers to call collect, again if it is those 2 banks I've mentioned.
6. Now swiping your card, please pay attention, since there has been a big scam for the 5 years. When I worked in Holland we would let our customers swipe their card. Some will swipe in front of you and then you have to use your codes on another machine. With restaruants, that's kind of hard to see. We had this US customer who got mad when we told him he had swipe it himself, keep in mind this
5 years ago. We then explained about the scam started in Russia, were the evil doer would swipe the card in one machine and then another. He then was happy about the info.
7. next scam to be aware of: when using a bank atm abroad, before sticking in your card make sure there are no flyers or notices posted next to the machine. if so don't use them. You will notice people stopping to read them and then putting away their cards. This is happening in France this last 3 months.The new scam is that it will eat your card or just take your info, and not give you money. While some one by distance or camera will get your info and make a dummy. The bigger banks are now safe gaurding this problem. When about to stick in your card, the slot will have a green light flashing around the entrance slot. Those are safe to use. Again, that is why it's smart to use the atm's with an open operating office.
8. if you get in a jam you can always have money wired to you. Yes the fee sucks with that to. Again what comes in handy are the bank connections of your bank to the ones abroad.
But the best part is to have fun and relax!
That's all for now, if I can think of more I'll add it. -
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Re: Money..... safe & smart
Thu, May 1, 2008 - 4:32 PMAll very useful information.. Thanks to everyone who has responded so far. I'm learning a lot! -
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Re: Money..... safe & smart
Thu, May 1, 2008 - 4:50 PMwe all are. :)
and thank you for your question.
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Re: Money..... safe & smart
Fri, May 2, 2008 - 2:04 AM1. call your bank, if it is Wells Fargo or Bank of America they have deals with banks abroad, meaning they will not charge a fee for international transaction nor another fee for exchange transaction with a foriegn bank's atm. yes they do do 2 different charges for withdrawing money abroad. Doing so they will give you the names of the banks that they work with. Yes, you can use your debit card if it is those 2 banks mentioned.
--> This is not accurate. I have Wells Fargo and although they do have deals with banks abroad, that doesn't mean that they don't charge the transaction fees. I get charged $5 US every time I use my ATM and 3% Foreign Conversion fee when I use it for purchases. It doesn't matter what bank you use, if it is not a Wells Fargo branch (which there are none in Europe), you will get charged. It is actually not that bad, but just know what you are getting in to.
Another option is to get a Capitol One credit card with a low limit. This card is the only one we have found that will not charge you the 3-5% Foreign Conversion fee. Citibank charges 5% so that is not a good option.
Given that we are living abroad full time, we have a combination of Capitol One credit card, cash and ATM. Most hotel rooms have safes. Put excess cash and all valuables in there when you go out. Take just enough cash to get you through your day. When you need more, use your credit card or ATM card. If you carry money, make sure it is buried deep in your bag or on your person. Zippers are always good, as long as you remember to zip them up.
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Re: Money..... safe & smart
Fri, May 2, 2008 - 10:17 AM
In response to the suggestion of a Capital One Low Limit credit card, I did a little research, as I myself am trying to do as the person who began this thread... figure out the best, safest, and most efficient way to deal with money while traveling internationally.
The link below may be of some interest, though I have no personal experience with it, and have no plan of ever getting any credit card ever:
www.consumeraffairs.com/credit...one.htm
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